Thanks to Ellen for transcribing this interview with Archangel Michael. I should mention that Ellen has transcribed this interview in the face of painful and limiting conditions. I acknowledge her dedication.
Again I am divided as to how to present this transcript. The editorial side of me does not want to overload you and the transcript is 19 pages long. The Ramanuja side wants to rush everything he said into print.
What I have decided to do is to issue it in three parts. One part tonight. One part at 9 a.m. Pacific Time tomorrow. And one part at 3:00 p.m. Pacific Time tomorrow evening so that no one feels pressured and yet everyone has fairly quick access to the interview.
I have also provided URLs to all the parts so that those who wish to go ahead may do so.
In the first part, AAM discusses the NESARA timetable and the desirability of us in the West rising up, taking back control of our countries, and the manner in which that should be done.
In the second part, AAM gives a description of Ascension. He also describes the Return of the Masters (us).
In the third part, AAM says that children are innocent and will automatically ascend whether aware of Ascension or not, people who do not wish to ascend because of the need to care for a parent or child will have their “no” respected, and people who remain for the sake of a spouse or child will ascend without fear, even outside the supposed window of opportunity.
Here is a copy of the interview so that you can go on ahead by listening to it if you so wish.
In this part AAM discusses why the Company of Heaven has not brought in NESARA by now and how they are wanting us to have the opportunity to oppose and stop the elite on the planet and to experience our partnership with the Company of Heaven in turning the tide of darkness. Obviously the Arab Spring is for the Middle East their opportunity to have humanity turn the tide there. He said that the Occupy Together movement is our opportunity to stop the cabal here.
He said that popular resistance would grow from the Occupy Together movement. He said we must realize the power of No. We must say No to the elite and it was permissible to tell them to stop. He said that saying no would invoke divine intervention.
But our protest must be peaceful. He said it was alright to defend ourselves and our loved ones from being killed but not alright to willfully take another’s life. Defense with love is permissible; hatred is not permissible; and the taking of life should be avoided on any grounds. He said that it is not acceptable to wage war on the basis that God is on our side, that religious wars have been fought on that basis and have been the bane of our world.
He talked about the destruction that was necessary before the construction. I wanted to suggest the word “de-c0nstruction,” which is what I felt he meant, but I did not want to interrupt him. Nevertheless he said he was referring to the tearing down of the old that must occur before the raising up of the new.
I would think it hardly necessary to point out to anyone that he is not saying to sack the homes of the wealthy or anything of the sort, but rather the deconstruction of the financial and other institutional supports of the dark cabal.
We must do what we need to do peacefully and lovingly because violence begets violence and changes that are brought in with violence are subject to being overturned, as dictated by the natural law of karma.
I hope I have removed any grounds for anyone saying that he or I are somehow mandating or supporting violence while at the same time also saying that it is acceptable to defend ourselves against being killed. I pray to Archangel Michael that I have not misinterpreted his words.
[Opening prayer deleted.]
Archangel Michael: Greetings. I am Michael.
Steve Beckow: Thank you for coming, Lord.
AAM: Welcome. Welcome, my beloved brother of peace — bringer of light, defender of love. You are doing well.
SB: Thank you, Lord.
AAM: And you know, so is the planet. So is the collective. They are digging deeper into their hearts, and they are beginning to express their love. Yes, there is still a great deal of chaos, upheaval and change, but that is also necessary for what we have talked about in terms of shifting realities. So, from our perspective, does it go quickly enough? Not nearly.
But it is progressing. And it is like the tide coming in and then going out. And there is a push and a pull. And that is what we are doing, in very simplistic terms, with the human race. We are pushing a little harder to help you go forward, and at the same time we are pulling you upward, or what you think of [as] upward. But it is a sacred spiral. It is a continuity not only of energy, but of life, of love.
Now, I will not sit here and preach, for I know there is a great deal that you also wish to speak of this day.
SB: Yes, in fact, that’s true. Shall I ask you my questions, then, Lord?
AAM: Yes, but before you do — and I say this to you, my beloved brother — never hesitate to ask me anything. Not in the form of a question or in the form of assistance. I am more than prepared to help in whatever way I can. It is not only my duty, it is my joy. It is who I am.
SB: I — I know that you are reading my mind, so to speak, or that you know of my conversation about wanting to ask you certain questions. So, thank you for clarifying that.
[My wife had asked me to ask AAM about a rash that I have and I had told my wife that I was not going to ask an archangel a personal question about a rash. Now here was AAM saying that I could ask him any question. So in the private part of my tape I did ask him what the spiritual significance of the rash was. He replied that it represented that I was wanting to jump out of my skin and was irritated that I had to be in a physical, 3D body and to go so slow. There's no doubt about the truth of that.]
AAM: It is all right. And it is important for everyone to know that.
SB: All right.
AAM: No job is too big or too small. And you know I have some helpers I can call on.
SB: [Laugh] I ‘m sure you do. [Steve: Like a legion of helpers.] Thank you, Lord.
AAM: So let us begin.
SB: All right. Well, my first question is — just to get this out of the way, because I know that a lot of my readers have this question. And that’s if you can give us any word on how NESARA is progressing, when we might expect it?
AAM: It is really stalled. But it is in tandem, a great deal of it, all of this – as we have said – is not necessarily sequential, but it is certainly related.
What you are seeing is that the human collective all over your world is saying that it doesn’t work, that the financial system and the greed, the hubris of your financial system is not only in moral decay; it is in institutional decay. And so that is already falling apart.
Now, of course, there are powers that be, particularly in what you can think of as ruling nations, that wish to keep the status quo and to hang on to what they have – as if they did not have enough. It is the political will to truly step forward and to declare that basically they are prepared to begin with a new system.
And it is a system the foundation of which is forgiveness, eradication, a fresh start. But, very similar to disclosure – except you are not having the same aspect of a fear of invasion – it will happen. We believe this will occur. It is on our timeline that this will occur before the end of the year.
SB: When you say it is stalled, do you mean stalled in light of your previous statements about the end of the year, or just stalled in terms of ongoing movement?
AAM: We mean that there is no ongoing movement at this time. Yes, we do have this deadline that we have spoken to you about, about the end of the year. But let us also say we have talked in the beginning about a push and pull here, and from our perspective we would have liked to have had this occur already.
AAM: We are very aware of human suffering, and we are very aware of the situation in which many, too many, find themselves in, and we also know that it is very difficult. And for some, they have not reached the point as yet where they can sit in the place of peace or silence when they are worried about whether they can feed their children, whether they can maintain a home, whether they can have a home, whether they can buy corn.
And so it is part of the shifting energies that this will simply not be an issue, so that people can begin to truly focus on what is important.
It is also part of the eradication and the destruction, which is my job. It is part of the destruction of those who have burdened many. And who have not come from a place of integrity or ethical behavior.
I do not speak in terms of punishment. That is not of love. That is not of wholeness. But you will hear me speak, and you have heard me speak, in terms of destruction.
And destruction is simply part of construction. Very often you have to simply tear away in order to rebuild, to allow the light to shine. So this is part of the destruction that has need to take place.
And we had hoped that this would occur actually in September. And for many different reasons we had anticipated that it would happen mid-September, and at the latest mid-December. So you are right in the middle.
When we say it is stalled, we mean that the political forces are not making a decision. They are engaging the energy, they are concerned about the maintenance of their political power base.
SB: Have we not passed the divine deadline, Lord, in regards to some of these matters? And if we have, how is it that the Company of Light doesn’t push these forces aside?
AAM: The deadline has come and gone. And we will push them aside, if that is what is required. But our biggest hope and desire — and plan — is the partnership with humans, and your star brothers and sisters, for that matter.
So it is the decision about, okay, let’s wait a few more minutes and see if the populace, if the people will take this matter and meet us halfway. And we are saying the people are in movement. The political side is stalled, but the people are not.
SB: Well, perhaps we could talk about the people for a moment, then. The Occupy Together movement — is that going to fulfill its promise? Is that going to be a leading vehicle of protest and change?
AAM: Yes. It has already begun. It is already underway.
SB: So if we put our effort behind that, that would be rewarded?
AAM: It would be giving it the support that it needs, the encouragement that it deserves. Absolutely, it would be rewarded.
SB: All right. And is there a piece of the puzzle yet to come, or is Occupy Together the piece of the puzzle that we’ve been waiting for?
AAM: It is the rallying point. The piece of the puzzle is the growth. It is the growth of so many people simply saying, “No.” It is the power of No. Very often, humans have come to understand — particularly the light holders, light workers, have understood quite clearly the power of Yes. But they have not fully embraced or understood the power of No.
And so, as the numbers grow, as that shift takes place, then the political inaction will see where their support really is. And support in that sense is in numbers.
SB: So we need to get out there.
AAM: And understand: to get out there in peace. To get out there in peaceful resistance. It is the rebirth of hope in so many ways that is so encouraging. And that is why the Company of Heaven has not come in and just done clean-up. We would rather do it in partnership.
SB: All right. What do I say to those who say that “no” is negative?
AAM: “No” is not negative. It is part of the definition of the dimension and the reality and the experience that you are having. You do not say, “Oh, yes, you may trample on me, you may trample on my rights, you may take away my freedom.”
Those are innate rights. This is your birthright. It is why you have come. It is to know the joy of physicality. It is to know the evolution, not only of your species, but of the entire planet, of this entire organism. “No” has come to mean refusal, or departure. But when you say “No, this is not acceptable behavior, this is not of light,” it is part of that pulling down, it is part of the destruction.
People are very afraid of this word. They are almost as afraid of the word of destroy as they are of surrender. And you know what? Those two are very intimately connected. “No” is simply saying, “Change course. Not allowable. Not of love.”
SB: All right. If somebody from the side of the elite were to attack me or my loved ones, and it looks like they would be killed, have I the right to defend myself?
AAM: Yes, you do. But there is a difference between defending and killing. There is a difference between the willful taking of somebody else’s life. And you have had too much of that, so why would you ever wish to participate in that?
Because what you are then doing is simply adding to that negative force. And you need to understand that, no, the power of “No” is misunderstood. And it does not mean negative. It means shift the energy completely. It is saying no, and turning back the tide.
What you have not fully come to realize in terms of the usage — and when I say you, dear heart, I mean you, the collective, — what you do not understand in terms of the usage of your innate abilities is that when you say no, your shields are up, your sword is drawn, and what you perceive as the danger, or the enemy, or, yes, the darkness, will turn around and go.
SB: All right, Lord. Where is the line between what is acceptable in self defense and what is not?
AAM: The line is in the willful killing. And we are not saying, because we know the evolutionary points of human existence, but there is a point at which the heart becomes enraged with bitterness, and the killing is willful.
And what we mean is not an act of will — well, it is, but it is not an act of love. To lay down your life because someone wishes to kill you is all right, my friend.
SB: That’s a controversial statement, Lord, lay down my life because someone wants to kill me.
SB: I’m sure my readers may find that a difficult saying. Could you expand a bit on that?
AAM: Yes. I think I’d better. Because I am not suggesting that you all lie down. And I am also not suggesting that there would not be divine intervention.
What I am asking of you — and you know we have travelled to the very heart of darkness, and we have done battle [This is the second time AAM has mentioned this. I have no remembrance at this time of the actual event he is referring to, but I'm sure I will when the veil comes off] , but when it is done with hatred, when it is done in such a way that you destroy your own core, then what you have just done is destroy who you are.
Well, you would say to me, “But, Lord, after the deed is done, could I not regain my core? Could I not regain my center? Is there not mercy and forgiveness?” And I say, yes, of course. But why would you jeopardize that core of bright light? Why would you surrender it to hatred? To darkness? To bitterness? Why would you go to the other side?
And you are saying, “Well, I would do it for love, I would do it to defend those I love.” We hear that a lot, you know. And we hear it in every nation, in all kinds of situations that have been pushed by righteous belief.
Every religious war has been based on this belief, on righteous love and being in the right side. How can you be in the core of wholeness and be in hatred?
Now, I am not saying that when there are situations of what you think of as battle or combat that there are many, many, many, many times when death occurs, and when it does, it breaks the person’s heart because they know what they have done, and then there is reconstruction. Then the core is being healed.
So I would be a very naïve archangel if I was to say that the death or the defense never takes place in terms of the laying down of lives. But we would ask, we would beg, and we would guide you never to do this with malice or hatred. Because what it does is it takes you away.
It is this belief — and it is a belief we share, by the way — that all life is sacred. All life is sacred. And all life is transient.
The eternal flame, it never dies. It never passes away. So in that moment of decision, do not embrace the hatred. And do not underestimate the power of no. Because also when you are saying no you are commanding and praying for divine intervention. You are asking for help. And when that cry comes up, it is heard.
You have raised a very important question because there are different kinds of violence. And I have spoken of religious battle and war, which is the anathema of your planet. And it is part of my job to bring back peace. It is part of all of our jobs to bring back peace.
But there is also violence that occurs simply from greed, from mental imbalance, from emotional imbalance.
But now we get to the crux as well. And I do not want this, and I do not wish your readers to approach this, as simply an intellectual conversation, because it is not. You’ve asked about NESARA, and I have said that the gathering of the populace is the part of the key, part of the puzzle.
There are many ways in which violence occurs. And this is the most difficult part of my initiative to restore peace on Earth. It is the people who are being killed inch by inch by inch by the violence of uncaring society, of uncaring power, by starvation, by no clean water, by ignorance.
Is it allowable, is it permissible, to fight back? Absolutely. Tooth and nail. With everything that you have. And I will help you. But if you say to me, “I want to kill that person because I hate who they are,” I will say, draw back, come back, do not take this into your heart. Because it kills more than the person, it kills a part of you.
SB: So the line is where hatred comes into the heart?
SB: All right, that’s very clear. Just an aside, Lord. SaLuSa, in his September 28th message, said that the movement for change has also been helped along by great beings who are using their influence to insure that the leaders of these movements are inspired for the right motives. Was he referring to your initiative for peace?
AAM: Yes, he was. But I am not the only one that is assisting. There are many.
SB: All right.
AAM: Because there are many on this side. Gabrielle, she is assisting also. You know she loves to organize things.
AAM: Yeshua-Jesus-Sananda is assisting as well. Because he sees this as a return, again, to the gatherings, and to the love. And Lord Maitreya is also assisting.
SB: Is this Maitreya in the body, or Maitreya from the spirit planes?
AAM: From the spirit plane.
SB: All right. So not the Maitreya that Benjamin Creme talks about?
AAM: No. And I think of him as the Big Buddha.
SB: The Big Buddha? [Laughs]
AAM: So there are many. You know, my beloved brother, Archangel Uriel –
AAM: — with his flame, his silver, that burns so brightly throughout the universe. He is the bringer of the future. He sees the future in these gatherings. He helps as well. There are very few of us that are not fully engaged. We restrain ourselves in some situations. And you know I have never been one known for great restraint.
AAM: But here we are, in a time of movement, where the populace is reclaiming what is theirs.
SB: So are you restraining yourself in order to allow us to play our part?
AAM: That is correct.
SB: Then I guess we’d better get a move on.
AAM: When we say we are pushing and pulling, I am not just speaking metaphorically.
(Continued in Part 2, where AAM turns to describing what we experience when we ascend to the Fifth Dimension.)